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bookhobbit:

jumpingjacktrash:

anarcho-tolkienist:

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wodneswynn:

scripturient-manipulator:

maramahan:

frodoes:

what she says: i’m fine

what she means: the words “christmas tree” are used in the hobbit, and since we know that bilbo is the author of the hobbit, hobbits must have christmas which means there must be a middle earth jesus. but hobbits seem to be the only ones who have the concept of christmas which means it was probably a hobbit jesus. but frodo says in return of the king that no hobbit has ever intentionally harmed another hobbit so who crucified hobbit jesus?? were there other hobbit incarnations of religious figures?? was there hobbit moses?? did jrr tolkien even think about this at all??

Wait wait I might actually have an answer

Tolkien wrote The Hobbit like waaaay before he even dreamed up the idea for Lord of the Rings, so when he DID dream up LotR, he had a whole bunch of stuff that didn’t make sense. Like plotholes galore

Like for example in the first version Gollum was a pretty nice dude who lost the riddle contest graciously and gave Bilbo the ring as a legit present and was very helpful and it was super nice and polite and absolutely nobody tried to eat anyone because this is a story for kids and that’s very rude

But that doesn’t work with LotR, so Tolkien went back and re-released an updated version of The Hobbit with all the lore changes and stuff to fix everything that didn’t work

This is the version we know and love today

BUT rather than pretend the early version never existed, Tolkien went and worked the retcon into the lore

If you pay attention in Fellowship, there’s a bit where Gandalf is telling Frodo about the ring and he mentions how Bilbo wasn’t entirely honest about the manner in which it was found

To us modern readers, this doesn’t make a ton of sense, so mostly we just breeze by it–but actually that line is referencing the first version of The Hobbit

The pre-retcon version of the Hobbit is canonically Bilbo’s original book. The original version with Nice Gollum is canonically a lie Bilbo told to legitimize his claim to the ring and absolve him of the guilt he feels for his rather shady behavior

Then the post-retcon version is an in-universe edited edition someone went and released later to straighten out Bilbo’s lies

So it’s 100% plausible that the in-universe editor who fixed up Bilbo’s Red Book and translated it from whatever language Hobbits speak was a human who knew about Christmas Trees and tossed the detail in to make human readers feel more at home, because that’s the kind of thing that sometimes happens when you have a translator editor person dressing up a story for an audience that doesn’t know the exact cultural context in which the original story was written

Tolkien was a medieval scholar and medieval stories are rife with that sort of thing, so like… yeah

There’s a good chance it maybe did cross his mind

@old-gods-and-chill LOOK AT THIS THAT’S SO COOL

Not only all that, but Tolkien was also working within a frame narrative that he wasn’t the real author, but a translator of older manuscripts; so, in-universe, the published The Hobbit isn’t actually Bilbo’s book, but rather Tolkien’s copy of an older copy of an older copy of an older copy of Bilbo’s book. So when errors and anachronisms came up, he would leave them there instead of fixing them, and he may have even put some in intentionally; what we’re supposed to get from the “Christmas tree” bit is that the first scribe to translate the book from Westroni to English couldn’t come up with an accurate analogue for whatever hobbits do at midwinter.

Yes. Another example of tolkien doing this is him using, for instance, Old High Gothic to represent Rohirric – not because the people of Rohan actually spoke that language, but because Old High Gothic had the same relationship with English that Rohirric had with Westron (Which is the Common Language spoken in the West of Middle-Earth). There’s tons of that stuff in the book.

Like, Merry and Pippin’s real names (In Westron) are Kalimac Brandagamba and Razanur Tûk, respectively (to pick just one example of this). Tolkien changed their names in English to names which would give us English-speakers the same kind of feeling as those names would to a Westron-speaker. Lord of the Rings is so much deeper than most readers realise.

tolkein’s entire oevre is just one epic in-joke with the oxford linguistics department imo

#i thought it was old english representing rohirric but i
have read lotr one (1) time so

No that’s right! The basic point still stands and is neat but a lot of Rohirric names are translated as Old English, like Theodred and Eorl and so on. Another interesting thing is that he sometimes modernized them to modern English because, apparently, those names were intelligible to Westron speakers, either because Gondorians knew them or because the Hobbits recognized them from their dialects (they once lived near the Rohirrim and borrowed a bunch of words, including their name for themselves). Here’s a good link about it from Tolkien Gateway, it’s SUPER cool. 

Also if I correctly recall (it’s been a while so I might not) there was a draft of TTT where Tolkien intended for Theoden to greet Our Heroes in Old English. This was in The Treason of Isengard and I have a very distinct memory of reading it at about fifteen and being completely floored and baffled by the fact that he just…wrote an entire speech in Old English for Theoden to say. Like, can you even believe. I absolutely love how much flavor and care he put into the languages in LOTR.

#other than in respect of certain blind spots
#the answer to ‘did tolkien even think about this’
#is almost always ‘the man spent twenty years overthinking it’ #and it’s either a moving philosophical reflection or a dumb joke he put in to annoy cs lewis (via @simaethae)

FACT CHECK: Can Voters Ask for Provisional Ballots If They Are Turned Away at Polls?

camwyn:

Thousands of American citizens have been purged from voting
registries or will face new obstacles to voting in several states, a
situation which has drawn attention to a fail safe mechanism put in
place by federal law to help ensure all eligible voters are counted:
provisional ballots.

In response to reports that states (including Indiana, Georgia, and
North Dakota) had thrown up roadblocks to potential voters in the
lead-up to the 6 November 2018 midterm elections, social media users
sought to spread awareness to their fellow Americans about the back-up
plan for those who believed themselves to be registered and eligible to
vote but were turned away at the polls nevertheless: “Give me a
provisional ballot with a receipt as required by law when requested”:

Memorize, take a screen shot, write in sharpie on your arm these magic words to use IF YOU ARE TURNED AWAY AT THE POLLS: https://t.co/FsQq5Icfol

— Carrie L. Kruck (@KruckCarrie) October 12, 2018

Although states vary in how they handle them, federal law requires
election officials to provide voters who do not appear on registries or
whose eligibility has been challenged by election officials at the polls
to be given provisional ballots, according to Section 302 of the Help
America Vote Act (HAVA).
“The deal with the provisional ballots is that so long as you believe
yourself to be registered, you have the right to a provisional ballot.
Polling workers are supposed to offer this to you,” said Allegra
Chapman, senior counsel and director of voting and elections for the
government accountability organization Common Cause.

In some states,
Chapman said, voters can update their registration information on the
spot. If it’s possible to do so and vote by regular ballot, that is the
optimal approach. If voters must use provisional ballots, Chapman added
that they absolutely should request receipts if they aren’t
automatically offered. The provisional ballot receipts provide voters
the necessary information to follow up and find out if their votes were
counted. Common Cause officials urge voters who encounter any problems
on election day to call 866-OUR-VOTE to speak to trained volunteers or
text the words “election protection” to 97779 for voting assistance.

In Georgia, a 2017 “exact match
law allowed the registration of voters to be suspended and then
cancelled if the information on their government-issued identification
varied even slightly from the information on their voter registration
forms. According to court documents, “Under this ‘exact match’ protocol,
the transposition of a single letter or number, deletion or addition of
a hyphen or apostrophe, the accidental entry of an extra character or
space, and the use of a familiar name like “Tom” instead of ‘Thomas’
will cause a no match result.” And the burden of rectifying the issue
falls on voters.

Georgia secretary of state and gubernatorial candidate Brian Kemp is currently being sued
by a coalition of civil rights groups who claim the “exact match” law
has hampered the registration of 51,111 voters, 80.15% of whom are
black, Latino, or Asian, and some critics have called on Kemp to resign.

Also in 2017, Indiana Secretary of State Connie Lawson dropped
roughly half a million entries from voter registries in what she called
an effort to clean up an outdated list. In June 2018, a federal court blocked
the state from implementing a 2017 law that would have allowed election
officials to cancel registrations without notice if voters’ names
appeared on an interstate database meant to flag potential double
voting.

The database, Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck, has been criticized as being unreliable, while the court ruled the Indiana law violated federal law. Indiana officials have been accused of violating that court order and did not respond to our questions about it.

In North Dakota, the U.S. Supreme Court on 9 October 2018 let stand
a state law requiring voters to present identification listing their
residential addresses. Because many among the state’s large Native
American minority use post office (P.O.) boxes and not street addresses
on reservations, the Supreme Court decision that allowing the voter ID
requirements to remain in place through the November 2018 election has
caused many to fear that tribal members will be collectively
disenfranchised on election day.

According to the North Dakota Secretary of State’s office, voters
whose identifications don’t include their residential address can bring
the following
supplemental documents to the polls if they show a residential address:
A current utility bill; a current bank statement; a check issued by a
federal, state, local, or tribal government (including those issued by
BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or
entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name,
date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address); a
paycheck; or a document issued by a federal, state, local, or tribal
government (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North
Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that
sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North
Dakota residential address).

North Dakota voters may also cast provisional ballots but must
present an acceptable form of identification to local election officials
within six days in order for their votes to be counted. Sen. Heidi
Hietkamp also introduced a bill
that would, among other things, enable voting precincts to treat tribal
ID cards like state and local-issued forms of identification for
purposes of voting.

FACT CHECK: Can Voters Ask for Provisional Ballots If They Are Turned Away at Polls?